tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post8400317823135276033..comments2023-05-05T08:35:01.986+01:00Comments on Say it isn't so: Outline – very importantGlen Akinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09647296775230237162noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-10189902690773875062010-03-19T12:34:13.186+00:002010-03-19T12:34:13.186+00:00Lol Sam, I'm very much with you on first draft...Lol Sam, I'm very much with you on first draft = outline. One thing you should know is that outlines can take any form you want them to. People automatically assume that outlines should be like a bunch of bullet points, but it doesn't have to be that way. My outline is so detailed they're pretty much the first draft. They're not well written or ready for publication, but they've got a lot in them. The 2nd draft is where I start writing properly and adding or taking stuff I don't like ;)Glen Akinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647296775230237162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-75452032964175431852010-03-19T11:13:45.975+00:002010-03-19T11:13:45.975+00:00I don't - can't - outline. For essays, I d...I don't - can't - outline. For essays, I definitely write a planning page just to get my ideas down, but when I write, it's all in my head. I find that when I outline, the parts of the story that aren't already there just get made up to fill in the outline. I kind of see my first draft as an outline, as getting the story out there, and then the rewrite as the part where I know everything that will happen. It sounds like a long process, but it really works for me. By the second draft, I know the characters and I know better what they would do and how they would feel than if I wrote and outline and one draft, you know?Samantha R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17107765710414091332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-557587454905194852010-03-06T22:30:06.580+00:002010-03-06T22:30:06.580+00:00I gave you an award on my blog. :)I gave you an award on my blog. :)Kathy Bradeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370707259209847339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-57498464301105612532010-03-03T17:41:16.375+00:002010-03-03T17:41:16.375+00:00Yeah, totally. Like I used to have this problem ba...Yeah, totally. Like I used to have this problem back when i didnt outline, and id be writing my book and this idea of a scene would pop in. I'd tell myself, "Yeah, dont worry you'll remember it when you get there." And when I got to that point i wouldnt remember it. Sucked bad. Now, I get to put stuff down, which helps plotting my WIP so much easierGlen Akinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647296775230237162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-31922955929356160252010-03-03T13:54:08.900+00:002010-03-03T13:54:08.900+00:00Since I am studying at university level, I complet...Since I am studying at university level, I completely agree.<br />I never used to outline. Just like I tended to dive right into an essay.<br />Jumping right into a five page essay in your 100-300 level classes is fine. Then, you get to your 400 and 500 level classes with 15 pages papers and, eventually, that fantastic dissertation. I've forced myself to start researching before, scribbling down a skeleton, and writing it in pieces. And I've definitely learned to apply it to my writing. I don't usually get sagging in the middle, so much as it gets all confused because my ideas are changing as I'm writing it. It's always stuff I could have fleshed out in the beginning with an outline too.<br />Thanks for this!!LizPagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07863167617453436250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-34520229336104264262010-03-03T05:27:07.219+00:002010-03-03T05:27:07.219+00:00I kind of sort of outline...LOL I write a rough dr...I kind of sort of outline...LOL I write a rough draft of my query 1st, keeping in mind to make it sound like a book I'd buy.<br /><br />Once I have my rough draft query done, I start working on my story, and it's kind of like a mini map.<br /><br />Just how I do it. :)Annie McElfreshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312634754232333138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-21149994752853979432010-02-28T00:49:13.998+00:002010-02-28T00:49:13.998+00:00I'm glad to have helped, Karla :)I'm glad to have helped, Karla :)Glen Akinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647296775230237162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-1570026608861956532010-02-27T05:06:22.176+00:002010-02-27T05:06:22.176+00:00This was a fantastic post! I loved all your points...This was a fantastic post! I loved all your points. I didn't write an outline for my first, first draft (am on a revamped first draft now) of Call Me Robin Hood, and I'm thinking I should have. Mostly because maybe I would have come up with this new plot for CMRH BEFORE I even spent time writing it/revising it. It was only when I got around to write a query letter that I found out (thanks to a bunch of AWers) my plot wasn't big enough. So yeah, now that I do have a much better plot, I was actually thinking an outline would do. Thanks so much for this post! I think I shall try to outline!Karla Calalanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17414349286625200655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-58398847140568236042010-02-26T17:21:43.881+00:002010-02-26T17:21:43.881+00:00Lol don't worry, you'll learn as time goes...Lol don't worry, you'll learn as time goes on. The more complicated and demanding your plots become, you more you'll be pushed to outline. There is no known format for outlining. It could take any form you wish :)Glen Akinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647296775230237162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-52637776084555084592010-02-26T00:14:29.499+00:002010-02-26T00:14:29.499+00:00Wow good points, but I can't outline. Never ha...Wow good points, but I can't outline. Never have been able to. *shrug*bclement412https://www.blogger.com/profile/05104255054978064868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442713635193021491.post-90932375557271469062010-02-25T15:47:09.886+00:002010-02-25T15:47:09.886+00:00Well said! I for one have been on the outline ban...Well said! I for one have been on the outline bandwagon since I started writing anything longer than a few pages. As you said, they are NEEDED. I can't imagine how much worse my books would be if I didn't utilize them. Too bad about the outline award thing. I really would like to receive one! lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13612218172442721987noreply@blogger.com